Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g11JOtu03820; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:24:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:24:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <sc5a88ac.061@epcc.edu> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: "Andres Muro" <andresm.RGCAMPUS.EPCCRG@epcc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:7142] Re: TESOL 2002 Roommate Finder X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.4 Status: O Content-Length: 9778 Lines: 248 I am also in agreement that it is a good place to run into a lot of colleagues and interact with them, make new friends, etc. etc. I wonder though if after my previos remarks anyone is going to want to associate with me at TESOL in the future. Oh well, my big mouth got the best of me again. Andres >>> tbr202@nyu.edu 02/01/02 12:09PM >>> I agree with you that there is no right or no wrong and as anything else it depends on what you go there for. However, my interest is technology enhanced language learning which does have a lot of hands-on stuff that you can see and go back home and do. It doesn't however have much research in the regular sessions. I do find, however, that TESOL is expensive. Most other conferences that I've spoken at, don't require me to pay for all the days. I think if you can afford it and are interested in bringing something home that you can work on or do that the pre/post conferences sometimes offer good stuff. I do think though that with all its pros and cons it is worth going to. I just wish someone paid my way! T Tommy B. McDonell (Ms.) Adjunct, Marymount Manhattan College La Guardia Community College; Consultant- ClickOn @ the Library for the NYPL. Doctoral Candidate at NYU 212-414-8513 before 9:30PM Tommy.McDonell@nyu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "TMUELLER" <TMUELLER@Laubach.org> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: [NIFL-ESL:7138] Re: TESOL 2002 Roommate Finder > I have to agree with Rosie Maum. I've been going to TESOL for years and > years and find that my biggest problem is trying to be in more than one > place at one time and trying to decide when I can sneak away for lunch > or a coffee break. I always return home with lots to think more about, > share with others and try to implement. > > My only criticism of TESOL is actually a completely different take than > Andres (from his earlier posting). I've felt for years that there should > be more "classroom technique" offerings - I say this fully aware that I > am risking sounding like Charlie Brown looking up at the cloud > formations and seeing only a "ducky and a horsey" when Linus sees a > portrait of the Stoning of St. Stephen. In some session time slots > during the week there are just not enough of those "hand-on, ready to > use in my next class" kinds of presentations. Consequently, these > sessions get packed with people and not everyone can get in. > > I also have to agree with Rosie, that there are plenty of opportunities > to examine and participate in recent research in linguistics, language > acquisition, etc. at the colloquia, academic sessions and papers that > are presented. Personally, I usually look for "demonstrations" or > workshops because that is what I am interested in and relates to the > kind of work I am involved in. > > I want to be clear that I may disagree with Rosie and Andres but do not > think that I am right and they are wrong. Over the years of frequent > conference and convention participation, I've found so often that one > person's "great learning experience" has been another's "waste of time." > And I'm always surprised - even wonder if we were both in the same > conference hotel or convention center. It's amazing! And I've been on > both ends of this spectrum. > > I don't have time to go on anymore today about the exhibits, the > pre-conference offerings, the plenary sessions, the poster sessions, and > other things. I'd just hope that someone who has not attended the TESOL > convention is not dissuaded from attending based on the viewpoint of > those who have not had satisfying learning experiences in the past. > > Tom Mueller > ESL Coordinator > Laubach Literacy Action > (315) 422-9121 ext. 351 > tmueller@laubach.org > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rosie [mailto:rmaum@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 1:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:7136] Re: TESOL 2002 Roommate Finder > > > > I have to completely disagree with your criticism of TESOL. I have > attended the last two and each time found an immense number of very > insightful and stimulating sessions - you just have to give yourself the > time to research what you want and need in the program book. Most of the > session that I attended were either research-based or technology-based > and I can't tell you how much I have learned, both about recent research > studies, trends and about technology based instruction. As a doctoral > candidate I have also attended several early morning sessions where the > presenters provided us (graduate students) with extremely useful > information. TESOL has just about a little bit for everyone. And on top > of everything else, like Tommy mentions, it really gives you a unique > and priceless chance to mingle with colleagues and professionals in your > same field from around the world. When I come back from TESOL I feel > extremely invigorated and "recharged". Ujwala, as opposed to Andrea's > su! > ggestions, I would encourage you to try again (maybe in an > interdisciplinary strand?) because you would have a lot to contribute. I > really hope to be able to meet all of you in Baltimore next year! > Rosie Maum > "Tommy B. McDonell" <tbr202@nyu.edu> wrote: While I agree that it is > not research oriented, (although they took our > research proposal), dogs are smart enough not to enter it. My goldens > say > though the book that I bring home every year that i've torn apart is > quite > tasty! > > The thing I hate most about it is there is a huge book to go through, in > one > day, with only about five things that are interesting and there are gobs > of > people at popular ones. The first year I went it was interesting > (Seattle) > but it has gotten less so each year. I spend more time now at AAAL and > the > testing association which are normally at the same time. > > But as much as I don't like it and find it too expensive by far, > especially > as I pay my own way, I always like seeing people from this list like > Carol > etc. > > Tommy > > > > > Tommy B. McDonell (Ms.) > Adjunct, Marymount Manhattan College > La Guardia Community College; Consultant- > ClickOn @ the Library for the NYPL. > Doctoral Candidate at NYU > 212-414-8513 before 9:30PM > Tommy.McDonell@nyu.edu > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Multiple recipients of list" > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:58 AM > Subject: [NIFL-ESL:7131] Re: TESOL 2002 Roommate Finder > > > Ujwala: > > I've been to TESOL a few times and all I can say is that this is > probably > the conference that manages to spend more $$$ attract more people and > have > the largest number of boring, repetitious, traditional, workshops and > presentations. Neoliberalism at its best. > > Because it is so popular, everybody and their dogs submit proposals > which > are grouped into topics of interest. At the same time, the number of > presentations that are selected by topics of interest depend % of people > that are interested in a given topic. The majority of people are > interested > in learning specific techniques to teach ESL in the classroom. So they > will > accept more proposals addressing classroom techniques. Less people are > interested in social issues, language theory, gender, health, etc. > Therefore, they select less topics from these categories. Therefore, if > you > want to get your proposal accepted you need to dress it up as a > classroom > technique presentation and give it a name such as: 'Songs puzzles and > other > games to facilitate acquisition of the verb 'to be' in its perfect > forms'; > or > 'Lets have fun w/object pronouns'; or 'Drill not, but engage your > students:rock and roll to teach the passive voice' > > I could almost guarantee that one of these titles may earn you a spot at > TESOL 2003. This gives me and idea for our program as a fund raiser. > I'll be > selling proposal titles and abstracts for people wanting to present at > TESOL. I'll charge $50.00. $5.00 for submitting a proposal with your > name > and $45.00 if it gets accepted. > > Andres > > PS: Just in case anyone took me seriously, the proposal idea is a joke > > In a message dated Fri, 1 Feb 2002 9:53:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, > "Ujwala Samant" writes: > > > Meral, > > > > I don't know why, but this is the second time I've been turned down by > > TESOL. I am assuming this turn down anyway. Since I am not a TESOL member, > > and not really a TESOL practitioner, I have to say that it did not give me > > any sleepless nights. What does concern me is that I think my research > would > > inform the adult TESOL groups, because our study looks at what goes on in > > adult ESOL classrooms in the US. I saw it as a venue to disseminate > > findings. Maybe they didn't receive my proposal. I don't know. I doubt it > > had to do with me being different, because from what I'm told, the > proposals > > are read sans names and addresses. > > > > Anyway, another year, another conference. > > > > What your friend went through was outright racism. I just had a friend > tell > > me that she was offered a job at a pharmaceutical company, after having > done > > her post-doc there, by her boss at a really low salary. When she asked > why, > > he told her that they offered Asians less money anyway because they are > > willing to work for less!!! To her face. What interesting times we live > in. > > > > cheers > > Ujwala Samant > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions Great stuff seeking new owners! Bid now! >
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