Return-Path: <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Received: from literacy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by literacy.nifl.gov (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g0KHggn07789; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:42:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:42:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <103368@tommy.demon.co.uk> Errors-To: listowner@literacy.nifl.gov Reply-To: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Originator: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Sender: nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov Precedence: bulk From: jn@tommy.demon.co.uk (John Nissen) To: Multiple recipients of list <nifl-esl@literacy.nifl.gov> Subject: [NIFL-ESL:6971] Phonotactics X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Mailer: PCElm 1.11 Status: O Content-Length: 1868 Lines: 49 Hello Charles, I'm interested in this phonological model where the [s] counts as its own syllable. This would correspond to a French origin, where the e acute is changed to an s, as in E'cole changing to School, or the dropping of e, as in esquire changing to squire. Presumably the [s] is treated as a kind of vowel, though it would often be unvoiced. For the circumflex we sometimes added an s, as in co^te changing to coast. Would that also count as a syllable in this model? And would the xt in text count as a syllable [kst]? As a more general question, what is the place for a study of syllables (phonotactics) in teaching/learning ESL? Cheers from Chiswick, John -- In message <008101c19f13$1d151340$09150785@fedu.fukuiu.ac.jp> nifl-esl@nifl.gov writes: >> Interesting examples. >> As for the 3 consonant cluster principle, what about the longest >> single-syllable word in English: strengths?Katie > >In one phonological model that I know of, the initial [s] counts as its own >syllable. Still, most native speaker intuition (typically leavened with >native literacy) would reject this. > >Meanwhile, in typical speech you can count on the [th] and the [s] sounds to >do something together since they are so similar phonetically, which makes >them hard to say (and the [th] sound is already hard to say by itself). To >me it seem the [th] drops out and adds a bit of aspiration to the [s]. >Moreover, although the spelling would have you think [ng] are two sounds, in >phonemic treatments they are considered one (though this does show something >of a featural element in English orthography). > >Charles Jannuzi -- Access the word, access the world! -- Try our WordAloud software!! John Nissen, Cloudworld Ltd., Chiswick, London Tel: +44 (0) 845 458 3944 (local rate in the UK) Fax: +44 (0) 20 8742 8715 Web: http://www.cloudworld.co.uk
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